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Title: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on February 12, 2018, 04:00 pm
Hi all,

First MOC post, it's a work in progress of a pub. Still working on the ground floor for the time being.
I'm using MLCAD (LDraw) just because I'm more familiar with it than LDD or stud.io, although I welcome any thoughts on that because I'm not entirely convinced it's the best choice. It will eventually be a real model but I don't really have much in the way of town/architecture parts so I'm designing in CAD first.
From some of the issues noted below it'll become fairly evident that I have no experience in this area - I've built almost exclusively in Technic before so I may need some advice along the way!

(https://www.flickr.com/gp/140127082@N03/18MC87)
The front exterior is based on the Chancery Inn on Inns Quay https://goo.gl/maps/vxZyaA9R1oo (https://goo.gl/maps/vxZyaA9R1oo). However the rest of it is just my own design. I didn't want to be tied down to a specific building.

Few more pics:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4716/39325853295_50eaef7c84_b.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4660/39325853125_41ccf83515_b.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4617/28444109859_e65c21895a_b.jpg)

A few issues:
1. The interior doors and back door are not the final doors - apparently my LDraw parts list isn't up to date. Those are just placeholders - I'll be using solid doors (see below)
2. I'm not entirely happy with the white interior around the outside of toilets and in the snug (much happier with the wooden bar interior area) but because these walls hold toilet fittings which are white I feel like they need to be white because the fittings will show through on both sides of the wall... Any suggestions welcome, open to totally rebuilding the toilets. In fact now I think about it I could try adding a basement and putting the toilets down there - the lack of a basement was bugging me a bit so I think I've just talked myself into it!
3. I wonder if it's foolish to have a completely studless floor. I was thinking I'd put in some free-standing tables and stools and all the minifigs could just be free-standing as well, but was this a bad idea?
4. At some point I'll need to add lighting, and this is an area I know absolutely nothing about whatsoever. Never had a Lego light in any shape or form so I'm literally fumbling around in the dark there.

Solid interior doors:
(https://img.bricklink.com/ItemImage/PN/88/60616.png)

Any suggestions/criticism/feedback appreciated, thanks!
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: David on February 12, 2018, 04:39 pm
Tom,

Firstly, thanks for sharing!

Looks like you have an excellent MOC in the works here. Really liking the general layout and you have captured a very realistic exterior. The use of plates in addition to bricks for the exterior wall, and the pattern it brings makes a great look. Liking the imperfections in the side wall, keep these going I say.

Agreed that the solid doors will look better. All you need is a Mna and Fir scribble.

Regarding some of the issues, for me it would be easier to try find solutions in the brick rather than on MLCAD (you must have patience) as I usually try multiple things and often what I think would look best at first ends up not as good as something else.

In general I think the white v brown wall contrast is a bit stark but for sure some old style pubs would have this décor with paintings or odd things hanging on the wall. I think the white looks great for the toilets though as these should be looking bleak right. Interested in seeing what the toilet fittings you mention are and whether they could be relocated or made slightly different to enable a different wall colour. I’m thinking you may have toilet paper holders or something but who knows!

A basement would open up a lot of potential space to add detail and would probably simplify all the colour problems with the interior however being forced to work with the tight space you have here will make a fine MOC if you solve the various issues as it will surely have more character with the nooks and crannies.

If you can post a picture of the toilet area that would be great.

I think it’s a bad idea to have entirely studless footpaths or floors. I always add the odd 1x1 plate in the floor colour which can be used for furniture or figures. It can add a good imperfect effect (IMO) in any case (especially on footpaths).

Best think in advance where you want to place some figures, eg around the bar and have those with the odd stud.

I have some spare LED battery packs. Happy to give you one or more if you think they’d be useful. They take a couple of AA batteries. Personally the wire is too thick and difficult to accommodate the 20 or so light bulbs in a space-restricted MOC like this but if you intend on larger MOCs they could be useful. I used them here (https://www.lug.ie/forum/index.php?topic=59.0) (about 17 of the LEDs are hidden in a riser). My recommendation would be to buy micro LEDs and have a complete circuit and power source on each floor (assuming this is modular). One option I am looking into is using cheap solar powered LEDs for this purpose.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on February 13, 2018, 03:00 pm
Thanks for the feedback David!

It's not so much patience as necessity! But yes it is a bit of a pain. I never had the patience for it with technic, but at least with town there are fewer things at angles and fewer keyboard-entry positioning adjustments!

I started modifying the model last night - I have a much better colour scheme for the interior walls (watch this space), and I've got a floor plan for the basement that I'm happy with. The extra space on the ground floor also allows me to put in a fireplace :)

I'm thinking about switching to a carpet rather than bare floorboards, which would just be a studded floor with a bit of a pattern - it would solve the no-studs issue.

I'll post some more pics soon, might not get back to it the next couple of evenings though.

Are the LEDs you use actual Lego LEDs or non-Lego parts? Not that I'm too fussed either way, I just wouldn't know where to start looking for non-Lego ones either.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: David on February 13, 2018, 03:42 pm
Carpet idea sounds good. Looking forward to some more pictures.

I would use non-Lego lights, more options, a lot smaller and a lot cheaper. Smaller versions of standard LEDs eg half or quarter the size. If you get hold of a soldering iron you could make your own circuits with very fine wire. I am yet to experiment with this properly but I suspect one could use the technic 1x1 brick with hole to good use as a means to hide wires in walls and use the 1x1 headlight brick as a breakout. If OK with the idea, drilling a few small holes might also come in handy.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on March 01, 2018, 04:25 pm
I've been making progress on this, slowly. I pretty much started from scratch on the interior and I built a basement. Thanks to Storm Emma for allowing me free time to expedite this progress a bit! So without further ado, here's the story so far:

1. The basement in full - you can't see much with the walls in place though. The private storage area will need some kegs and other bits and bobs that I haven't got around to putting in yet.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4675/40365903431_cf53109b34_c.jpg)

2. Going back in time a bit to before the walls were constructed so you can see into the toilets.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4700/39468643895_a56d900629_c.jpg)

3. The front - now with the A-shape sloped section above the door, and a keg delivery hatch in the pavement out the front.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4713/40556568811_8d9e0ef21b_c.jpg)

4. The bar - with taps, fridges, a clock, a dishwasher, a sink. Also there's a trap-door back there for basement access. Still not totally happy with the green carpet - it looks a bit like grass.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4754/40556569041_7ff5cbe257_c.jpg)

5. Some flags on the wall - I feel like it's that kind of bar. It pained me a bit making a Dublin flag but I don't think any other flag would have suited it.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4662/39846062534_61f4b17db8_c.jpg)

6. There's a fireplace - no fire as of yet.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4746/25684730887_d810293d79_c.jpg)

7. Lastly, I had a bit of space to the right of the fireplace that looked bare, but wasn't big enough for a table. First I looked to see if there's such thing as a dartboard-printed round tile (there isn't) but then I decided to get creative and this is now my new favourite part of the build. A Guinness toucan statue!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4630/39846062404_7d6fc2e434_c.jpg)

If you want to see all the screenshots so far (40 at the moment), the flickr album is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/140127082@N03/albums/72157669487162109 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/140127082@N03/albums/72157669487162109)
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: David on March 01, 2018, 05:24 pm
Just like you I'm taking advantage of the days off work to build (LEGO and snowmen).

Really loving those toilets. Don't forget to have no toilet paper. Minifigs won't be happy but its more realistic. Urinals look super, first time I have seen hand dryers. A partially sun damaged piece would work wonders here.

I think you have the colour combinations done well but would probably change the green. Dark tan might look good but hard to say. Look forward to more updates and thanks for sharing the pictures Tom.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: David on March 31, 2018, 08:15 pm
Might be worth having a few of these...

(https://img.bricklink.com/ItemImage/PN/20/95228pb02.png)
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on April 01, 2018, 06:48 pm
They're definitely on the list! Not going to put that kind of thing into the ldraw model but I'll pick up a few of that kind of thing when I eventually start bricklinking all this stuff!

Progress has stalled in the last couple of weeks, got a bit bogged down on the upstairs and it hasn't been helped by either the busy dodgeball calendar or getting into the really exciting part of the fantasy football season... Here's hoping bank holiday Monday yields some inspiration!
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Samsonite on April 06, 2018, 01:20 pm
The front on this pub is excellent. Have you a way of accommodating the A-shaped arch on the second floor?
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on July 05, 2018, 03:24 pm
Construction has finally started! I don't have pics of the most up-to-date progress here are some photos of the windows arriving:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/925/43148637192_cce3d6781b_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1768/28328777447_20dae7a89f_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1822/29326955288_d28a8b179e_z.jpg)

Samsonite, to answer your question, the angle is about 33° so I'm hoping inverted slopes (https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=4287#T=C) over it will look ok!
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: David on July 05, 2018, 03:28 pm
Not right that they have to work with long sleeves.

Never seen these?

(https://img.bricklink.com/ItemImage/PN/55/973pb2215c01.png)

Well, at least they are allow booze on the job.

Great to see it moving from digital to brick. Look forward for more pictures
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on July 18, 2018, 04:29 pm
Progress on the front wall... some supply issues hindering progress around the rest of the pub though, as I overestimated some of my own inventory on some vital parts!

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1810/28602491647_667df7fef3_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1765/29618112628_819d6b3a76_z.jpg)
A pub patron observes a resident of the Dublin quays.
Not really sure why anyone would patronise a pub that has only one wall and no footpath in front of it yet. Questionable placement of the barrier as well...

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1763/43441431192_d5cc10aff2_z.jpg)
Interior of the front wall.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: John on July 18, 2018, 08:33 pm
Has a churchy feel  if prayers over pints you'll need a priest Munich from series 5007
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Patrick on July 18, 2018, 10:41 pm
I feel like a pint just looking at it! Coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: John on July 18, 2018, 11:09 pm
Drunken moc  could prove to be an excellent competition with beery prizes, also exchange minifig for Munich on my other post
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: David on July 20, 2018, 08:32 am
Great to see this coming together so nicely Tom. Looks like the real thing. Drunken guy throwing up outside looks familiar too I must say.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on February 19, 2019, 11:45 pm
So after a few months of not having anywhere to build properly, I've bought a house and finally have plenty of space! So progress has resumed on the pub!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7922/32208626027_a38995be58_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7827/32208626427_077bbace6f_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7851/32208624497_3194c2677a_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7878/40185661083_b7a374157c_c.jpg)

And more on flickr: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvLn5V5 (https://flic.kr/s/aHsmvLn5V5)

I can't really progress any further without paying a visit to Mr Bricklink, but watch this space!

Edit: so the photos I tried to attach didn't attach... Flickr is the worst. I'll have a go again in the morning!


Edited by Lug.ie Team (fixed image links)
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: David on February 20, 2019, 09:14 pm
This is excellent Tom. Can't get over how good the old red fences look as they do fit the requirement perfectly. Gotta say it it coming along nicely, will come to life when the figures are allowed in. The Dublin and Irish flags suit the scene. I suspect you'll have a few old geezers at the bar? Any chance of Sky Sports on the TV? There's usually a Man U or Pool fan floating around those pubs..
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on February 21, 2019, 12:38 pm
Thanks lug.ie team for fixing the image links! Forgot all about it yesterday.

Any chance of Sky Sports on the TV? There's usually a Man U or Pool fan floating around those pubs..
I'd be afraid that it would stop looking like a tv if it wasn't black but I'll give it a try and see how it lokos! The tv is one of many bits where I went slightly away from the original plans, mainly because It's just too annoying to pick apart the ldraw file and it's more fun to build with flexibility.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on April 22, 2019, 10:46 pm
Edit: I actually thought I'd posted some updates a couple of weeks ago once I'd finished the upper floors and added the adjacent bookshop - must have forgotten to do that!


Final Work In Progress update - this should finally be finished this week!

The exterior of the building is now done, and all that remains is the interior of the bookshop, a couple of details inside the pub and the pavement.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40704710803_cc6f45a232.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/251WhoF)
The burger advertising billboard at one end.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46755268875_70eece90df.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eeAYvr)
A billboard for the other end - any X Files fans out there who recognise the brand?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33793633408_767dc02c76.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TuecRS)
The bookshop/cafe name: Novel Tea

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33793632708_fa52e20141.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TuecDN)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47618729702_346537f5c2.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fxUrk5)


Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: wallyjarek on April 23, 2019, 08:16 am
This is looking really good.
I like ideas with billboards.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Patrick on April 23, 2019, 09:12 am
Superb. Cafe sign is class.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: John on April 23, 2019, 01:30 pm
This is like a child you've not seen for a few years and look how it's grown ,pub to modular .novel tea has great Halloween and Christmas display opportunity, do you have a city to display it in or is it a stand alone
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on April 24, 2019, 10:19 am
This is like a child you've not seen for a few years and look how it's grown ,pub to modular .novel tea has great Halloween and Christmas display opportunity, do you have a city to display it in or is it a stand alone
It's the first of many city buildings! Need to give my wallet a break for a little while but I've already got a fair idea of what the next building next door will look like.
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: John on April 24, 2019, 11:31 pm
A building site of base plates and piles of bricks, get the construction crew David hired,they seemed competent enough
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: David on April 25, 2019, 10:26 am
Haven't seen this style before and with the two peaked rooftops and chimneys these ooze a real-life Dublin feel. Kudos for achieving this.

It would be great to see it completed with footpath, road, some minifigures as they will bring it to life and it deserves that.

The signage and billboards are great. Especially like the Novel Tea and what looks to me like a Marlborough cigarette brand! (don't think I have seen an X Files since the 90s).
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on May 18, 2019, 12:31 am
It's finally finished*. I thought I'd have the last few bits done the same week as I posted the last update... that was almost four weeks ago!

I've added a floor and an interior to the bookshop, finished off interior details in the pub, paved the outside and of course added a few minifigs.
As usual all photos are linked to flickr, and here's a link to the album (https://www.flickr.com/photos/140127082@N03/albums/72157691481786333).

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47082046324_3ffdbfd40d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eJtN4o)
Overview of the front of the building.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47082046014_f8b441bbc0.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eJtMY3)
Incidentally the roof does come off if you remove the chimneys first. But I forgot that there's nothing that you can actually grab onto on those twin slopes so it's almost impossible to remove anyway.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47082046314_c05e662750.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eJtN4d)
Right side with burger billboard.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46955187025_ae203e8306.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2exgBd6)
Left side with Morley billboard - incidentally although Morley is best known as the brand of cigarettes in the X Files, they've appeared in numerous otherwise unconnected works of fiction! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morley_(cigarette))

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47082046054_c168085d5d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eJtMYJ)
Some pub customers drinking outside.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47082046404_d0a9db6259.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eJtN5L)
And again...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46955189795_b6083b5dfb.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2exgC2R)
One local resident didn't like me taking his photo.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32927254447_bff17cd0e8.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SaEMzz)
Some prospective customers checking out the bookshop's window display.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47871376641_b048cd2b1d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fWejsM)
Bookshop interior.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33994192498_85fca251b4.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TMX86d)
And more of the bookshop interior. The stairs lead up to a cafe upstairs (to be built one day) - hence the shop's name Novel Tea.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46955190745_ae9f78846b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2exgCje)
Bit of a strange selection of books. I saved most of the best ones for the window display. This man is apparently buying the Lego Extreme Team theme logo, while one of the books on display on a table is the old Fire logo and there are two copies of the Space Port logo on display in the shop.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33994190968_4a0513f444.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TMX7CQ)
Here we have some customers in the pub. And the barman's having some difficulty with the tv remote by the looks of things, because the tv is still not showing anything despite David's suggestions!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32927251237_9a5746b058.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SaELCe)
The toucan is sitting by the fire... which is fortunately not lit. Wouldn't want the toucan getting its feathers singed!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32927252437_a097720117.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SaELYV)
And the bar is finally stocked with bottles and glassware...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46955187535_67893acd06.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2exgBmT)
And soft drinks in the corner for those more responsible customers.


*Actually, there's a bit of paving at the back that's still not finished - I ran out of grey tiles - but it's a small enough area that I was able to keep it out of the photos. There's also a missing hinge on one side of the trap doors (not sure what you'd call it really, the hatch for keg deliveries) in the pavement in front of the pub. Not to mention that one day I'd love to do an interior upstairs!
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Patrick on May 18, 2019, 08:31 am
Fantastic build. Not only packed with detail, the minifigs really bring it to life. Well done 👍
Title: Re: Pub WIP
Post by: Tom a.k.a. eastawat on May 20, 2019, 12:17 am
Thought the inside of the bookshop still looked a bit bare so I added a small shelf in front of the counter and a potted plant to break up that big expanse of tan wall at the back.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40918613873_ccf26a0e05.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25kQAjD)